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Five years since our dear friend and quizzing colleague Dave Rainford died and a wonderful evening's quiz in his memory;

Wins for KFD, the Bards, the Charas and the History Men;

Val Draper Cup draw held: ... and also column below and the  fixtures page show details

Albert lost to KFD

Ethel Rodin lost to Bards

Opsimaths lost to History Men

Charabancs beat Electric Pigs

Latest WithQuiz League Table

Albert lost to KFD

KFD get the better of a 93 point match against top of the table rivals

Kieran delights in a close victory on a memorable evening

From the ashes of disaster grow the roses of success  

That was the moment the contest turned.  As to the match score all it did was cut the Albert's lead from two points to one but we'd just given away a pass over and the game was threatening to get away from us.  Barry had snatched at Xanadu rather than giving the full song title (in fairness to our man in the black barren land I would have made exactly the same mistake had it been my question) and we were flirting with disaster.  Then David started naming films of 1968; Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was the third on his list and I remembered the damn song - that movie is uneven to say the least.  Danger averted we ended that round ahead having been behind since the start of Round 3 and we never looked back.   


Curry in a loaf

(R4&5/Q11)


David was also rightly proud of dredging up The Book of Dave.  From a crowded field of Tory grift I somehow remembered Cameron's Greensill scam and what Barry doesn't know about South African curries or Johnny-come-lately German states isn't worth knowing.  I even got to school Martin (and David) on the Swan Lake characters - that was a first!  

There's a wonderful, hopefully not apocryphal, story about the First Sea Lord number one upping everybody at some high-rolling drinks do.  The Chief of the General Staff comes up to the nation's top Jolly Jack Tar and starts fawning all over him: "I'm really envious of your title you know.  First Sea Lord sounds so magnificent, so grand, so imperial".  Said sailor, spying the most open of goals, looks down his incomparably snooty nose and replies: "Well yes, First Land Lord doesn't have quite the same ring about it."  Such effortless snobbery is what made Britain great.   

Our seven point victory margin doesn't reflect the game at all; the result was in doubt right up to halfway through the final round.  One of those games when the victorious team scores a bunch of points at the end, once the win is mathematically certain.  Ashton joined a previously very exclusive club of just one (Ethel's Greg) in scoring 7 twos and ending up on the losing side.  The famed value for money of Sam Smiths' pubs goes up in smoke if a round consists of two drinks and three bags of crisps, so that's how they make their money.  Nonetheless I was very happy to buy the victors' round to mark what was our best performance of the campaign.   


 A Nobel between two Curies

(R3/Sp3)


It's been a season of near misses and 'what ifs' for us.  Two losses to the Prodigals by a combined three points and a ridiculous defeat at the hands of the hapless Opsis in the opening match - if only.....  However City's uncommonly early exit from the Champions League means we should be able to field a full strength side in the Val Draper Cup and it's been more than ten years since we've made any serious impression in that competition.  Maybe we can still land some silverware to send the Lowestoft Ben Duckett on his triumphant way back to .. er... Norfolk.   


Stop - in the name of football

(R1/Q1)


Not content with being by far the best team in the league this season, The Prodigals are also now established as the best question setters.  I wish I could dislike them but it's just not possible.  I have to own up to being pleased when they lost to Ethel last week though. Sorry Prodigals, but we never managed a 100% season, nor even an unbeaten one, in our heyday so there's a quiet satisfaction that you couldn't do it either.  And we didn't set out to engineer that result - honest!  

Our highest points total of the season and we even won the Bingo rounds, just.  What a great evening!  Next week we return to the Griffin and Bogota Bob.  It's been pretty quiet on the international news front since we last saw him five weeks ago so I assume he's just been taking it easy in some peaceful, quiet retreat somewhere...... 


Guitarist sans pareil

(R1/Q6)


Mike looks forward to a paper celebrating great leaders

Well, there you are.  I take a well earned vacation from my onerous managerial duties and I come back to find that they are as bad as ever.  The arguing, the fighting and explaining to Eveline that it is bad form to quiz with a machete on the table in front of her.  Alas, how wearisome!

Our standout player was Ashton, but what can one individual do when swamped with a tsunami of ignorance?  KFD deserved to win a very high scoring contest. 

 I will  suggest to the team that they might consider honouring someone worthy - like me - with a themed quiz at some stage in the future.


Tired, emotional and Browned off

(R6/Q6)


Last Night's great Promess

(R3/Q4)


Opsimaths lost to History Men

Victory for the History Men allows them to dream of 'Europe'

Ivor celebrates victory despite Young David's absence partying

Our gentle evening of quizzing behind the curtain in the Albert Club was more than once interrupted by the excitable clamours of Association Football fans seated in the main lounge.  I accept that Manchester is a cosmopolitan city, but it does seem to have a surprising number of Liverpool supporters.  Perhaps PSG fans (and Evertonians) were just keeping their heads down.

Young David was missing from our team tonight, not because of his footie passion, but because he was celebrating his 53rd birthday - yes, Young David is 53 and younger than his team-mates by some years which tells you all you need to know about our recruitment policy.  In his absence we reflected that he was lucky to be born on St David's Day rather than St Swithin’s, St Crispin’s, St Eligius’s or St Alphege’s.  In his place we welcomed the return of Rupert who quickly remembered the Golden Rules of our team: 'No blurting and buy your round'.  These are in fact our only rules; we like to keep things simple.  A bit like papal elections where the only qualifications for preferment are to be a Roman Catholic and a man. 


Was that one or two coughs?

(R4&5/Q3)


With Anne-Marie in the QM chair we had a most convivial evening, albeit with a late start because Vanessa went to the Parrswood by mistake.  Once again we found ourselves five points ahead going into the last round but this time the curse of the soporific sofas was lifted and we had a comfortable victory.  Anne had 6 twos and Vanessa was lethal on the steals.  Mike B also got 6 twos.  


A Great Western Railway facade

(R3/Q1)


Despite another loss Mike sees signs of an Opsimath 'Spring'

Another great evening at the Club with plenty of enjoyable quizzing and social affability.

Another defeat for Opsimaths Nouveaux but a good deal of encouraging signs with new boy Paul hitting his stride and Hilary finding quite a few questions to her taste.  She courageously backed her own instincts, going for two with Malin Head, when I was jumping up and down next to her fearful that she would head off in the wrong direction (sorry, Hilary!).  Brian probably got the roughest deal in Seat 1 with a surfeit of pop music.  The paper was pretty friendly to me in Seat 4; I got 6 twos and would have got more had I had the courage to guess "John Ford" (which was what I had been muttering to myself), and had I not foolishly opted for 'Manchester United' in the 'Love/Hate' Round when 'Cricket' was what my team was urging me to choose.  Anyway 6 twos is many more than I've been getting lately, so thanks Dave!


Saturday morning TISWAS memories

(R1/Q5)


Nevertheless the History Men were worthy winners and all strength to them as they slug it out to try and earn a 'place in Europe'.

After the match we held the Val Draper Cup draw and then sat awhile chatting with Anne-Marie (our very able, and audible, QM for the evening) about our memories of the great Dave.  For all our wonder at his quizzing prowess the main word that haunted our lips was 'kindness'.  Dave was the kindest man you could have hoped to meet and for that we are all eternally grateful.  RIP Dave.


Newest Star on Hanover Street

(R4&5/Q6)


Charabancs beat Electric Pigs

The Charas inexorable rise continues apace

Damian reports that better team discipline is bearing fruit

Well, all that waiting for those victory buses and they just keep rolling up for us Charas.  I can't recall when we last scored a hat-trick of wins but it feels pretty satisfying I can tell you.  A combination of questions that played to our strengths, and improved team discipline, seems to be finally working in our favour.  We only have to keep up this momentum for another two games and we will hopefully finish the season with our highest position in the league table for many a year.  Fingers crossed! 

On the whole the paper was a bit of a toughie, at least for our two teams, as our combined score seems to bear out given that it was the lowest of all tonight's matches - and we were two of the only three teams that failed to hit the forty mark. I counted eleven unanswered questions which fell mainly to the Pigs breaking 7-4 in their favour. Plenty of twos and steals for us helped us to victory after going behind in the first two rounds. All in all it was an enjoyable affair - and the complete round of spares that the Prodigals provided added to the fun to round off the evening. 


Some giant!

(R7/Sp1)


As for QotW my vote goes to the Bingo question about the White Swan as it brings back so many nostalgically murky memories for me.  I never knew it was one of Dave's pet hates. I'm fully confident it was only the murky surroundings that he didn't care for and not the people who played there.

RIP Dave!


Ethel Rodin lost to Bards

The Bards bolster their league position with a win over last season's Champs


Quiz paper set by...

... The Prodigals

Average Aggregate score 81.3


A wonderful paper celebrating 'Mr WithQuiz' himself, Dave Rainford.  For all the need to weave into its format plenty of 'Dave Rainford' references there were no compromises to quality and we were able to enjoy the paper on its own merits.  Loads of points on offer and a ton of variety.  If I had to single out one part of the quiz for special praise it was the Bingo double round on Dave's pet loves and hates.

So, what were the 'buts'?  Well the question balance did seem to favour the team going first and in Round 2 the Opsimaths (going second) got some stinkers compared to the History Men's gentle teasers ... and then there was Round 2 Question 6 about Winston Churchill's seat.  This demanded the name of a parliamentary seat represented by Winston Churchill that had one of the syllables of 'Dave Rainford' in its title.


Hester the Pester

(R4&5/Q18)


Now a few years back I set a question to which the answer was the New Zealand city of Napier (remember those Napier Girls?) and I clued it by referring to a place just a few miles from Hastings.  Afterwards everyone berated me for setting a trick question sending them off thinking of the East Sussex 'Hastings' rather than the NZ North Island 'Hastings'.  Similarly this week we were sent haring off after the more familiar Winston rather than his grandson.  What's more the better known Winston did represent the constituency of WoodFORD in Essex during his later years in parliament.  No trick questions please!


... Greg's verdict was short and sweet ...

A cracking paper from the Prods.  A lovingly crafted tribute to a lovely man.


Cole bags the first of a treble

(R4&5/Q7)


... and Mike O'B was unequivocal ...

The quiz itself, apart from honouring Dave was, in my opinion, the best of the season, The use of Dave's name was very inventive. The Winston Churchill question was very clever; there was some debate about whether the answer was Davyhulme or Stretford which would have fitted the theme just as well. 


... and Damian has this feedback ...

Tonight's paper was a moving tribute to our late and much lamented former colleague, Dave Rainford, on the fifth anniversary of his passing.  He was a great friend to me and many others as well as as one of the best WithQuizzers we have ever had.  The Bingo round dedicated to Dave's legendary loves and hates was a great tribute and a marvellous evocation of his personality and views on a wide variety of topics.  Needless to say it was the highlight of tonight's proceedings.


... whilst Kieran chips in with this ...

A great paper from the new champions and a fantastic tribute to a giant of WithQuiz.  It's not just his team mates who miss him, we all loved his company and his generosity of spirit and we were all in awe of his 'Tremendous Knowledge'.  I'm so glad I knew you Dave, and so glad I could call you a friend.  You'll never be forgotten as long as WithQuiz is played.  


... finally Ivor sums up ...

The David Rainford Memorial Quiz was much appreciated. A celebration of a life well-lived rather than a commemoration - and just the right balance and tone.  With Dave quizzing was as much 'The Beautiful Game' as football was, and he had an appreciation of the finely crafted question.  I am sure he would have been pleased with his colleagues’ setting tonight.  It is hard to believe it is five years since he left us. 


Irish tip

(R7/Q3)


The formats lent themselves to a great range where we could demonstrate our Tremendous Knowledge (or not), and, although we had eight unanswereds, only a few were really difficult (Jamaican Prime Ministers and computer games spring to mind).  I am sure Mike will have something to say about the 'Winston Churchill' question (a trick question rather than a tricky question, maybe?) but it would be a dull quiz if some questions did not require cunning thinking.  Unfortunately trying to get Jackie Fisher’s role in the Navy hierarchy caught both sides out in our vain pursuit of a Red Admiral.  We received Anne-Marie’s sincerest apologies about the Bingo format (though they seemed as sincere as Zelenskyy’s apology to the Orange Oracle).  The Bingo format did at least allow us to avoid the football, though question-spotting otherwise was difficult.  Rupert was expecting a fine upstanding cricket-playing MGS schoolboy (Crawley or Atherton) rather than the opiate-using writer (heroin use in public schools - surely not!).

The '1968' round was my favourite.  It covered my final year of primary school, the last year of peace in Northern Ireland, US assassinations galore, UK politicians who could be 'tired and emotional', a black and white TV where the Winter Olympics were indistinguishable from the white fuzzy background, and the barely understood awfulness of Vietnam and Biafra; yet somehow it seems more innocent than our world today.


Philadelphia - NOT for Dave though

(R2/Q7)


Question of the Week

This week Damian votes for the Bingo format Rounds 4/5 Question 22 about Dave's hatred of The White Swan ...

In the ballet Swan Lake, what are the names of the White Swan and the Black Swan who both compete for the affection of Prince Siegfried?

For the answer to this and all the week's other questions click here.


... and also

At the Club, after the Opsimaths v History Men match, we carried out the draw for the Val Draper Cup competition which starts in 3 weeks time on March 26th.

The fixture page has been updated but the highlights are: the Bards and Albert play in Round 1, the Preliminary round on March 26th answering a paper set by the Charabancs, who earn this privilege by being the home team in the first fixture in Round 2 the following week.


Centre Stage tonight - and always

(Round 7)