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4th February 2015

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Even tighter at the top with the Opsimaths, Ethel and DD on 20 points closely followed by the Bards on 18 and Albert on 17, each with a game in hand

Results & Match Reports

Albert beat Compulsory Meat Raffle in a low-scoring match at the Fletcher Moss. As Mike O'B reports it was a pretty tough quiz but, as ever with Rachael and her crew, "the conviviality of our opponents compensated for everything." (Ed: Has no-one got a bad word to say for students these days?).

A full strength Dunkin' Dönitz lost by a three point margin to The Opsimaths in the tense but highly affable ambience of the Griffin's front parlour. Affability overflows when Bob is in the QM's chair and so it was this evening. The import of the result was not lost on any of the participants - indeed Kieran and myself had indulged in a little hubristic foreplay before the off. As it happens my fall will have to wait a week or two. By the time the quiz entered its middle period both teams were beginning to feel that the real opposition were sitting at home in Bardsville. The conferences that took place over the most populous European city not to be a capital, and the European country with the second highest number of borders turned into a couple of two team joint efforts aimed at discovering, not so much the facts, but whatever the setters might have thought were the facts. This took an awfully long time for a combined total of zero points!
Having said this the quiz paper gave for a fascinating and close contest with the visitors in front for the the first half only to be overtaken by the hosts, who in turn were just pipped at the post by the visitors' bounce back.
And lastly... great to see Barry back and vaping on all cylinders. It was the first time the Opsis have seen him this season!
Did Kieran see things the same way as I did?...
"A strange evening wherein a quiz packed full of factual errors, opinion, supposition and, that most damnable word to be included in quiz questions, 'reportedly', produced a thrilling match played in a great spirit between two of the top teams, only settled on the last pair - which I suppose is the object of the exercise. A great contest, maybe more by accident than design. Mike wanted me to say congratulations to the Opsimaths for rejoining the title race . Yes he wanted me to say that.
My favourite moment of the night was the discussion during the Fifty Shades of Grey question. Dakota Fanning was the choice of both teams. When no points were forthcoming Martin said 'well there can't be two Dakotas'. Guess which smart arse said 'errrr.......'.
Strange evening as I said. I rather enjoyed it in a twisted sort of way. Apart from the Opsimaths winning bit."

Ethel Rodin beat The Electric Pigs at the White Swan. Andrew summarises...
"A difficult and mistake-ridden quiz with twenty unanswered questions in the Arctic conditions of The White Swan. However the hosts were convivial and the QM most patient. Congratulations to Ethel Rodin on their victory."

The Prodigals beat The Men They Couldn't Hang by just two points at the Albert Club in a match that could only muster a combined scores total of 48 points!

The Charabancs of Fire beat The History Men by a whisker in a low-scoring affair at The Turnpike. After his journalistic abstinence last week I'm glad to be able to write the words 'Damian reports'.......
"As you can tell from the scores, this was a low-scoring topsy-turvy affair where the lead changed hands a number of times but never with more than a point or two's difference between the teams.
The Historymen seemed to end up with the bum steer as they suffered the indignity of 2 nil point rounds, whereas the Charas managed to score at least one point in every single round. There was nothing much to separate us until the very last round when the luck of the questions finally ran in favour of the Charas!"

Quiz Paper Verdict

This week the paper was compiled by The Bards of Didsbury.

This was a pretty tough paper with a very low average aggregate of 54.4 - indeed the lowest of the season so far just 'underpassing' the Bard's pre-Christmas effort which notched up 56.0.  Having said this the paper certainly wasn't lacking in interest or variety (e.g. the Rev. Cowherd gem).  The main problem that everyone commented on, however, were the inaccuracies.  Sometimes errors are mere slips that can be brushed aside and do not disrupt the flow of the quiz contest too much - indeed there are errors of this sort most weeks.  It's just a fact of life.  But the errors in this paper were fundamental to the questions in which they occurred and caused much difficulty for the players involving many extra minutes trying to conjure up answers that were then marked wrong even though subsequent investigation proved them to be every bit as right as the answers given in the paper.

At the Griffin the questions which caused most anguish were the ones about Europe's biggest non-capital city and its country with the second most land borders - and the one that gave the wrong birth date for Pete Townsend.

Kieran, as ever, has a forthright opinion....

"The 69 year old Pete Townshend (b. 19 May 1945) will be surprised and not a little annoyed to discover that he is in fact 75 or even 76.  No need to worry about legal action though, Bards, I doubt that he'll want to be seeing the inside of a courtroom any time soon.

Thirty seconds of googling produced two websites apparently (there's one of those words again) claiming  to be expert in European geography.  One went for Austria as having 8 borders with other European countries and one went for France with the same number (count them - they both have 8).  Pulling up a map did indeed confirm that Serbia can also claim 8, so three possible correct answers so far.  No site mentioned Russia which both teams at the Griffin were convinced has at least 11 and possibly 12 or even 13.

Similar results when looking for the largest non-capital city.  Indeed one website very firmly went for Hamburg, while another equally as firmly went for Barcelona.  Strong claims also for St. Petersburg.  You see where this is going.  These questions don't seem to have a definitive answer, at least not one to satisfy seasoned quizzers.

Then there's the matter of Rounds 1 and 3.  The Opsimaths won round 1 6-0 and we returned the favour exactly in round 3.  So no complaints about balance except that it would have gone down rather better if the impossible questions were divided equally between the teams in each round rather than engineering a stuffing for one team and then the other.  I don't think that's how paired rounds should be set - no team wants to have scored zero in any single round - it's not a lot of fun."

Damian's take from The Turnpike....

"We found the Bard's paper amongst the toughest of the season.  The low scoring along with 'nil point' rounds provided ample evidence of this fact.  On the other hand, we enjoyed the fact that the themes were fairly straightforward to work out even though it didn't always assist us in finding the answer.  The pairing was often a bit uneven - 'Who was called the thinking man's crumpet' up against 'What is a wisent?' for instance.  But many of the questions did a good job in probing our memories of recent political and social scandals.  On the whole, the paper may have been a bit top heavy on political and film trivia.

Answer of the week?  Probably Ivor's enthusiastic suggestion that Charles Darwin's formal occupation on board the Beagle was being Captain Fitzroy's 'gentlemen friend'!  Really Ivor!"

Whilst Ivor's views from the same Turnpike contest....

"O dear!  A combined score of 50 says it all.  21 unanswereds and a measly 7 twos between both teams (though the balance of difficulty between the teams seemed fair).  Going first in round 3 there were just four answerable questions while in round 6 it was worse with 3 answerables to contend with - and to cap it all we conceded a steal.  It all came down to the last 2 questions and when Jane got a two on the Pitman Painters (impossible or what?) I was flummoxed by the papal headpiece that is not the triple tiara.

Contentious questions: Surely Hastings Banda was a doctor?  He was an old boy of my alma mater (I think we might have given him an honorary degree as well before the dictatorship) and a GP in the north (though I suppose he might have been a dentist in the same way Mad Frankie Fraser was a dentist).

Next week it is the cup - not the European Cup for us but the Europa Cup equivalent.  Quite fancy our chances so long as there are no impossible New York streets, wisents or meat eschewing (as opposed to chewing) Cowherds."

From the Prodigals/TMTCH contest at the Albert Club Anne-Marie sums it up as "a very tough quiz" whilst from the same match Dave typically focuses on just one aspect: "After waiting 7 years for a North Eastern question, along come two in consecutive weeks!"

From the Fletcher Moss Mike O'Brien's view...

"The aggregate score suggests that for us this was a tough quiz.  I'm afraid our knowledge of Soviet era oil pipelines isn't up to quiz league standard!  There were some interesting questions and we did enjoy the Football club theme round.  Meat Raffle claimed that the answer about the European country with the second most borders could also be France and we accepted this."

And finally James from Ethel's match at the White Swan....

"Like Hastings Banda pulling teeth - except that, as both teams said, he was in fact a doctor, and thus it was even more painful!  This was not either teams' favourite quiz of the season by a comfortable margin.  20 unanswered of which the Pigs got 11 including the Banda one, and the duff Pete Townshend question, so they can justifiably feel a little hard done by.  BTW (as later googling proved) Hastings Banda was practising as a doctor, not a dentist, in the year that Pete Townshend was actually born (i.e. 1945 and not 1939)!"

...and a P.S. from Mike O'Brien received later on Thursday....

"Ashton has asked me to point out that his unconferred answer of 'Austria' to the European borders question, which was marked as wrong, was every bit as correct as the answer given in the paper.  He observes that if the final League Table this season gets decided on points difference then Albert will have been disadvantaged.  This question had already caused problems since we had adjusted Meat Raffle's score immediately after the match based on the discovery that their conferred answer, also marked as wrong, was indeed correct.  In the circumstances this seemed the right thing to do because correctly applied knowledge should be rewarded!"

The Question of the Week

This week the vote goes to the fascinating nugget of information revealed by Round 6 Question 8:

The Reverend William Cowherd, who ministered in Salford in the early 19th century, was a major figure in the development of which movement?

For the answer to this and all the week's questions click here.

Chatterbox

WIST

Next week we play the semi finals of the WIST and A-Trophy Cup competitions.  The quiz papers to be collected by the Bards, The Prodigals and The History Men will be in the Red Lion as per usual.  I am told by Mike Wagstaffe that he will sort out the copy of the paper required for the all-Stockport match between The Alexandra and Chunky.  Greg Spiller of Ethel Rodin (who also plays for a team in the Stockport League on Thursdays) has compiled the paper this time.

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Fifteen to One

For any of you that might be interested in getting onto Fifteen to One I've just received this....

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seanmaguire@remedyproductions.tv

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....and here's the flyer....