lost to KFD
KFD continue their rise up the charts
giant-killing run comes to an end!
Quizzing, bloody hell! In the past five weeks the
Opsimaths have beaten the three contenders for this
year's league title while KFD have been as
inconsistent as they have been all season. But
this was THE derby. The Eternal Derby, The
Derby of Southeast Manchester, The Old Farts Game,
the toxic, bitter A5145 clash with the reasons for
enmity no longer known to anyone, or perhaps never
there in the first place, and strange things can
happen in derbies.
it was nothing like toxic. Two WithQuiz sluggers
who know that, for this season at least, they are no
more than a sideshow, played something approaching a
friendly with the result barely in doubt after KFD
held a ten point lead at the end of Round 3. I
don't know who the Charas pop music aficionado is
but God bless you, my anonymous friend. The
Opsimaths are a wonderful team and the fiercest of
competitors and rivals but they do not have a Scooby
about music after 1950 (or possibly 1750) and as
'name the band' followed 'identify the lyric' and
preceded 'which singer guest starred on'... we knew
it was going to be our night.
"Below us only sea"
course there were moments when it got a bit
fractious. Mike questioned the true source and
value of our Kentucky Fried Donutz sponsorship deal.
In return I mock sympathised when the Opsis picked
the wrong guess in the New York Times / Washington
Post lottery - the only poor question of the night.
But both teams' irrelevance to the business end of
the league table made it the most enjoyable of our
clashes in many years. Nick, as per, performed
heroically in a lost cause with six twos. That
seems to happen to him quite often when we meet.
There were two unanswereds each, which points to the
Charas wanting to make everyone have a good evening
and, from our point of view at least, they
succeeded. Mike may have a different take re
'crap culture' when he publishes his thoughts.
only gave away one pass-over all night and that
because I committed the cardinal quiz sin of
speaking out loud when discussing whether the
American mountain range was the Catskills or the
Alleghenies, with Mike about a foot behind my left
shoulder. He had the grace to admit that he'd
never have got the bonus had he not heard me say it
as we inevitably picked the range entirely contained
within New York state. Incidentally, Mike,
there are 35 peaks in the Catskills over 3,500 feet
and yes, there is a club for those who have
conquered them all. Just something to think about
have loved to write this report as if the game had
been Red Star v Partizan, River Plate v Boca or,
most terrifying of all, Burnley v Blackburn - but
no, nothing like that, just a lot of fun and, of
course, a great deal of respect between rivals who,
a bit like Fergie and Wenger, can finally admit to
mutual respect now less is at stake. And I'd
have loved to do the whole thing as a pastiche of
the egregious and bitter ravings of a son of Bury
and one-time half decent journalist to whom The
Guardian has given absurd column inches in recent
days (which his delusions and spite do not merit).
But I think I'd only have been speaking to David and
Lord Bath and the rest of you would wonder what on
earth I was on about - as if you didn't do that
every week anyway. No matter, revenge....
dish.... cold etc.
(should I add Erling to the list?) had finally
finished his chemistry homework and thus has now won
on six of his eight appearances. If Barry ever
gets fit again I'm going to have some tricky
selection problems. Next week he may well be
making his second foray of the season to the Stadium
of Murk as we take on title contenders Ethel in what
should always have been named the Chastity Shield, ©Fr
Megson. There's also a bit of a
dust up going on at the Bernabéu that night;
attention may wander.
Fifth! We're fifth. How? I had
hoped that by now the Dark Side from Stretford would
be occupying a similar position so we could continue
our unsettling mimicry of them. But instead I
find we are akin to RB Leipzig's bitches. I've
been Poch, I've been Bielsa, I've even flirted with
being Super Frankie and Pep in my totally lost it
moments, but I need to say this very clearly.
No way am I being José. Not with that haircut.
Speaking truth to power
as befits losers, Mike goes second
dear! We woz walloped! I might offer the
excuse that crap culture (i.e. pop music and
dinosaur poo) was over-represented - or even that
going 'first first' (as KFD did) seemed to bestow a
slight advantage, but in truth KFD were just a lot
better on the night. The Opsi's only area of
superiority lay in the QM department where Brian was
crystal clear and patient.
recent years most of our teams have undergone some
'freshening' of their line-ups but none such changes
have been as stark and sudden as KFD's. Last
night Liam, Ruth (David's daughter) and Elizabeth
(Kieran's daughter) were in attendance alongside old
hands Kieran, David and Martin. Ruth and
Elizabeth warmed the Club benches this time round as
the other four galloped through their paces.
It is really, really good to see the league
gradually passing into the hands of younger
competitors but, oh, we did miss your calm
authority, Barry. I do hope things are better
soon and you can reassert your peerless qualities on
a Wednesday evening.
the walloping had ceased Kieran and I fell into a
discussion about the Labour leadership contest.
It seems both of us strongly favour the lass from
Wigan who seems to combine charm, steel and vision
alongside plenty of detailed ideas. That's not
to say KS and RLB haven't had their moments in the
round of media debates. Oh, why do we have to
wait until after the General Election to see such
fine leadership qualities on display in the party
many of us love?
time has surely come for the Old Etonian ruling
dynasty to be replaced by the Old Parrs Wood High
School mob - Lisa then Lucy.
The Champions perish at the Parrswood
gives the loser perspective...
The Bards were magnificent last night. They
gave us very little and stretched their lead
crucially by the end of Round 7 to take control of
the match. 43 points is a good losing score
which emphasises how well the Bards played. A
good match played in a convivial atmosphere with an
We are definitely up against it now. Whatever
happens we can be proud of an inaugural Prodigals
title defence attempt irrespective of the outcome.
What if they disagree? Who’s infallibly right?
The History Men confer
Men tied with Electric Pigs
Yet another tie for the History Men!
Young David is missing for the next three games as
he is on holiday in Thailand. He might as well have
stayed here because the History Men are already
living in Tie-land. This was our fifth match of the
season where honours were even (and no one had to
buy a consolation round of drinks). Tonight was our
first game in the Red Lion since it became a J W
Lees, rather than a Marston's, pub. Decor the same,
the beers different. We had our usual bad start on
the very first question - some day we will remember
the order of Beryllium and Boron in the periodic
table. The game had been fairly close throughout
but we'd managed to edge into a four-point
lead going into the last round. Our usual 'end
of quiz' implosion, however, meant the lead was
whittled away by the time we got to the last pair.
Fortunately both Dave and I held our nerve and we
both scored twos.
Where would we be without the blurts? Tonight Tim
was asked the question about this year's
Oscar-winning role portraying a star of yesteryear.
“You know this”, Anne said to Tim. Tim thought and
and looked at Anne and uttered the fateful words,
“Shirley Temple”. Anne was too incredulous even to
say “Chough Me” or any of her other usual
expressions of disdain. This might be the
first time anyone has even thought about Shirley
Temple since c.1978. I think that might outdo my Fu
Manchu blurt of a few seasons back.
Shopping Art Nouveau
H was QMing and adds this...
Very good quiz tonight, close most of the way and it
finished with a draw (do History Men have the record
for number of drawn matches in a season?).
Some very entertaining questions with not a little
humour sprinkled around. My 'Question of the
Week' was the longest one of the night too; that is
the one about the Bedfordshire stopover for the
And as QM I must own up to a couple of faux pas...
First the cardinal QM sin of giving the answer
before the second team had a chance to answer (we
used a spare which was rather easier than the
Secondly I got the last two questions in a round
back to front (a worker should not blame his tools,
but it would help if the spares were clearly
separate from the other questions in the round and
in a different typeface). Overall, however, it
probably didn't affect the final score.
Siège du Sénat
beat Mantis Shrimp
A one-point thriller topples the league leaders
Duce, Mike O'Brien, reports ...
Ah, what a competitive match - never more than a
couple of points all the way through and won when
Eveline scored a two on the last question.
Despite Eveline and the rest of the team's efforts I
feel obliged to award myself the Albert's star
player award - and I worked jolly hard to earn it.
In the first half I blurted out one incorrect answer
and didn't know the answer to any of my other
questions. The others explained to me at half time
that if the Albert had been playing three-handed
without me we would have been one point better off.
I built on this encouraging start by asking if we
were conferring when it was a Shrimp question.
Despite all this the final result shows what
inspiring leadership can achieve and I'm sure the
rest of the team will agree with me.
"Hail the Pentecostal morn"
Testers lost to Ethel Rodin
Ethel power to the top as their rivals crash and
James fills us in...
the Turing Testers joined the league in mid-October,
the first question we faced was which pub to choose
as our home venue. As a geographically
disparate team with limited knowledge of south
Manchester, we followed the maxim of location,
location, location and plumped for the Greenfinch,
due to its proximity to West Didsbury tram stop.
After our final home match of the season, however,
we believe this may have been a less than
propitious choice. We have now played nine and
lost nine at home (not counting our walkover loss to
Albert at the start of the season). More often
than not we have been confined to the 'kids' area'
of the establishment, which this week proved
somewhat challenging as boisterous young children
and their well-lubricated parents (we suspected they
were a funeral party) were in attendance well into
the evening. We are considering scoping out an
alternative home venue for the future, and any
recommendations would be most welcome.
(Ed: James, how about doubling up with The Charas
at The Albert in Withington?)
week we encountered Ethel Rodin for the first time
(they gained a walkover victory over us earlier in
the season). Without our intrepid leader, Joe,
we struggled mightily with the abundance of popular
music-based questions in the Charabancs' paper, with
Ethel poised to sweep up extra points for nearly all
of our incorrectly answered questions. Were it
not for some more familiar fare in the form of film
and TV, we may not have scraped to double digits by
the halfway mark. The second half treated us
rather better. We particularly enjoyed the 'US
state abbreviations' round, though racing through
Puccini operas beginning with state abbreviations:
La Bohème, La Fanciulla del West, Madame
Butterfly, I was a little perplexed to twig that
Verdi's Rigoletto was the expected answer.
Mercifully our opponents interjected, agreeing that
there was indeed a mistake in the question and so
there was no harm done. Ultimately though, the
lead Ethel established early on was far too big for
us to come close to surmounting; our clean sweep of
home losses was confirmed and the Greenfinch's till
was again filled with our opponents' pennies for the
final round of drinks of the night.
and many thanks to Damian from the Charas for
stepping in at late notice to act as QM.
paper set by...
...Charabancs of Fire
Aggregate score 83.4
of cracking scorelines and what appears to most of
you to have been a well-balanced set of questions.
Furthermore there was an opportunity for me to
warble a few notes from A Nightingale Sang in
Berkeley Square, that ultra-cheesy 1940 song
that helped lift the hearts of a nation from the
horrors of war last time Europe was disunited.
Ivor's paper critique is pretty
was well received and certainly suited us
old-timers. As Anne says we always remember
our blurts, or timidity, or other perceived
injustices but the final statistics of 5 steals
each, only 5 unanswereds (3 to us, 2 to the Pigs)
and 23 twos (12 to us, 11 to the Pigs) confirms that
this was a very well balanced paper, and more to the
point, an enjoyable challenge."
Nancy pays tribute to the late Terry Jones and his Ripping
...whilst Mike H points out the
paper's obvious boo-boo...
"Surely there was an error in Round 6 Question 7
where it was suggested that Puccini wrote the opera
about the Duke of Mantua's court jester."
...and despite losing, Shrimp James H
is a happy chappie...
"Absolutely fantastic! There was something for
everyone in this one. There was a great
variety of questions that made for a fun quiz which
went along at a breezy pace, such that we finished
around 22:10. And of course, the paper was
written with the Charas' trademark wit and panache.
Well done, Charas!"
...and high praise from Mike
quiz was well balanced. There were very few
unanswered questions and easy questions did seem to
be paired. The only issue arose when Puccini
was confused with Verdi. In many ways this was
one of the best papers of the season."
...and from Prodigal Dave...
"90 points is a tremendous match
aggregate. Well done to the Charabancs.
The Puccini/Verdi confusion and a failure to accept
that Adam can perform without his Ants can be
forgiven. Great paper."
...and finally Tester James
gives it the thumbs up...
"Despite our woeful music knowledge
we found this week's paper both accessible and
enjoyable, with great variety, humour and very few
'never heard of him/her/it/them' answers."
Our candidate on the inside
Question of the Week
This week KFD opt for Round 7 Question 2 which
provided a quirky bit of information that neither
team managed to get...
Trade Unionist Eugene Debs campaigned on five
occasions as a Socialist candidate for the
presidency of the USA. What was unique about
his final campaign for the 1920 election?
For the answer to this and all the week's other
New York's Fuller building
Next week its WIST
time with me setting the paper on behalf of WithQuiz.
Please note that, in all cases, the
papers should be collected from the Red Lion by the
WithQuiz teams. This means the Prodigals, the
History Men and KFD (all of whom are playing away),
but also Mantis Shrimp (who are entertaining Smart
Alex at the Parrs Wood Hotel) will be picking up
Good luck and I hope you enjoy the