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19th October 2022

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It's a really sad week this week since I have to report the death of our founding member Barry Whitehead.

Barry started the Withington and Didsbury Quiz League back in 1977 as a continuation of a local quiz tournament.  Along with colleague John Turrell, Barry trekked around the pubs and clubs of Withington and Didsbury drumming up support for a local, regular quiz league and in 1977 matches started on a league basis.  Without Barry's persistence the enterprise would never have lasted as it did.  The format Barry devised at the start (8 rounds of 8 questions; two points for an individual answer but just one for a conferred answer, etc.) has lasted intact ever since.

Barry played for a variety of Red Lion teams down the years but ended his playing career with the Electric Pigs based at the Fletcher Moss just a few years ago.  As a quizzer he was always quietly spoken and courteous, a delight to spend the evening with and always full of fascinating facts.

Many of us enjoyed catching up with Barry at the WithQuiz 40th anniversary celebration in 2017 where he was rightly fêted by his quizzing mates.

Barry, you should rest in peace knowing that it was your imagination that has given so much innocent pleasure to so many down the intervening 45 years.

Many thanks.

Catherine, Barry's daughter, has asked us to let her know how many WithQuizzers wish to come to the funeral so that she can manage numbers.  Martin from KFD is in touch with Catherine.  Can you please let him know (mlbrom@tiscali.co.uk) if you intend to go.  This site will give details of funeral arrangements when they're known.

(Click here for the 'WithQuiz at 40' pages which give more details about the start of the League back in 1977)

UPDATE: I now know Barry's funeral will be at the Small Chapel, Southern Cemetery at 11.30am on Friday November 4th

As stated above please let Martin know if you plan to be there and he'll let Barry's family know

Prodigals back on top after winning the Club derby; Ethel and the Pigs in hot pursuit on the same number of points

Charabancs lost to Ethel Rodin

Albert tied with KFD

History Men lost to Electric Pigs

Prodigals beat Opsimaths

Charabancs lost to Ethel Rodin

Ethel win to go level on points at the top

The anatomy of a painful minute or so diagnosed by Dr James ...

A well constructed quiz that kept both teams in the game until the end.  Ethel’s seat change strategy continues to pay dividends.  A shout out for John standing in for an unwell Geoff tonight. 

Charabancs were good value and will surely win games this season - Damian in particular had a very strong match.  I’m sure he’ll have told you of his frustrations around whether a siege was a battle (ED: No actually he's surprisingly reticent on the matter judging by his report below).  A better phrased question would have led to him getting a two for Vienna instead of Ethel getting the steal.  Thankfully for everyone, the winning margin was just enough to mean that this wasn’t crucial in the end.  In team discussion before it came over, we wondered whether the question paired with the Quasi-Chancellor PhD one would be another incompetent Tory.  Something of a tough pairing in the end, but John dredged it from somewhere.  


"Just hold it there, Dicky, I need to get that down before I walk off"

(R1/Q6)


A few really good conferred answers from Ethel - where nobody knew the answer on their own but individuals all  gave small amounts of information that allowed us to get there in the end.  It almost worked for The Battle of The Silver Spurs too, but unfortunately the alliteration round was later on.

No team discussion about the  female author question, but sometimes silence and the speed of everyone else’s hand reaction tell you a lot.  Literature is a part of my knowledge base that is considerably lacking.  I haven’t had time to read many of the classics, (or any Booker Prize winners).  I refuse to learn lists in lieu of experiential learning opportunities.  So, the question about the 1882-born author of Mrs Dalloway came to me.  I’d not heard of it, nor the one about the Lighthouse.  All three of my team mates clearly have done, and thrust out their hands, all 15 fingers on display, in such a way as to give the message “how the **** don’t you know this?!?!”.  So no pressure... it was a close game.  We needed the points.  We certainly didn’t need a blurt.  It was worth thinking for a while.  There’s a US State involved.


"Hey, Liz, you'll never guess what I'm going to do next week"

(R7/Q3)


I start on the West coast. This does not help.  The state is going to be the first name, surely?  The flyover states are similarly unhelpful.  Dakota Fanning’s name enters my consciousness taking me even further away.  Then the East coast.  Starting at the bottom.  No Floridas.  Georgia O’Keeffe - but surely she’s an artist.  Carolina!  That’ll be it.  Maybe James Taylor was singing about someone called Carolina and not about his childhood home.  I now had to get Carolina out of My Mind - because even if there was an author here, she probably wasn’t going to be a North or a South.  Nor an East or a West.

But hang on! There isn’t an East Virginia, it’s just Virginia.  Virginia Plain?  Virginia Wade?  Virginia Woolf!  I’ve heard of her.  She was in that pretentious group in Bloomsbury, who always seemed to just be famous for being the Bloomsbury Group.  


Henry looks to his discoveries

(R2/Q6)


The 15 fingers have by now become 35 fingers as all members of the other team clearly all know this too.  So I have a person who fits the bill.  An author with a state name, probably from about the right period.  But I literally do not know whether it’s correct - and right until the moment I say it, I’m still in fear that this is going to turn out to be a blurt of Ivoresque proportions.  But two points it was and I was saved the blushes and the indignity of Roddy’s scorn.  Adrenaline, relief… such is the enjoyment and appeal of our great WithQuiz tradition.  

And so, finally, this gives an opportunity for a shout out and a tribute to Barry Whitehead for his work in helping put all this mad nonsense together all those years ago. 


Damian keeps plugging those philosophers ...

The words of Samuel Beckett continue to inspire us as we go into our third week of the season without a win.  'Ever tried.  Ever failed.   No matter.  Try again.  Fail again.  Fail better'.  So we failed better this week than we did in the previous two weeks by scoring more points.  Hopefully we will soon fail better enough that we will achieve a victory.  So Sam B remains our guide and inspiration!  Yet again it was not a bad effort from us.  We all scored twos; just not quite as many as our opponents.  And how do you get steals when Greg from Ethel knows pretty much EVERYTHING.  After thinking long and hard,  and giving us false hope, he still always manages to come out with the right answer.   


Oscar's Penny

(R2/Q2)


Sting in the tail expert

(R7/Q4)


Prodigals beat Opsimaths

Prodigals top-score with an impressive victory in the Club derby

Mike reports from the Club back lounge...

First I am saddened to have to report a bullying incident as I was waiting to vote on R6Q8.  A large imposing, elderly Bard (who seemed to be in control of events) threatened he would take me outside and give me a good kicking if I didn't get it right.  As it happens I know nothing of the Lion King and had to abstain from the vote and defer to my fellow party members (who picked up the point on my behalf).  'Taking outside for a good kicking' may be the way some carried out summary justice in our court system but all I can say in reply to Tony (for it was he) is "on your Potteries Bus, mate!".

So to the match... In the end a comfortable win for the excellent Prodigals (John, Richard, Michael and Ann-Marie) who went ahead early and held on for the win despite some mid-game rallying from Emma, Nick, Hilary and myself.  Emma is starting to add coverage for those areas of knowledge on which the Opsis have been traditionally weak (e.g. pop culture post-1970s) although this time round she was cursed with classical music and Euro football stars.  Probably the best Opsi answer of the evening I could recall was Nick working out that the alliterative Nazi thug who had been a devout catholic in his youth was Herr Himmler (R8Q3).

The Opsis have yet to win this season so beware the rest of you, we are hungry!  On the other side of the table the Prodigals used last night to get back to the top of the table where they rested for pretty much all of last season.

Once the friendly quizzing rivalry had been put to bed we got to discussing the seriously dysfunctional behaviour of our elected rabble at Westminster.  All I can say is if this disgraceful 6/7 years of Tory selfish mayhem has ended the prospects of there ever being another Tory Government in my lifetime some good will have come of things.  Make no mistake Brexit is to blame! And as for Suella Braverman the internet is too sensitive to take the sort of descriptive language we used.

Finally as a reminder of the weight of history (Opsimaths 40 wins; Prodigals 24 wins) here's a shot of Anne-Marie receiving the Orkney Dark trophy post-match from non-playing Opsi, Brian.  The fact that they're both leaning away from the toxic trophy is the fear that this 30-year old unopened bottle of Highland poison might explode and kill them both.


Albert tied with KFD

A thriller at The Didsbury ends in a tie

Speaking from a slightly loftier perch than usual Mike O'B reports ...

As the result suggests a really exciting contest played in a very sporting atmosphere.  The Run Ons, as usual, were popular although my personal favourite of the evening was the Carrotblanca question.  Who can forget a skunk that modelled himself on Charles Boyer?  I was pleased to see questions on Chelsea Bridge and Sloane Square since I grew up close to both those locations.  It all provided a fitting tribute on the night we learnt of the passing of Barry Whitehead a 'Founding Father' of the League. 

Speaking personally it made me glad I had postponed my Brazilian Butt lift in order to QM.


"Here's looking at you, Kid"

(R2/Q7)


Kieran's usual brio is calmed by the sad news of Barry ...

Tonight's report was going to be some sort of riff on LINO Liz and the interesting times in which we find ourselves.  You can imagine how it would have gone: me NOT, repeat NOT, cowering under a desk, Barry, eyes on the prize, remaining tight-lipped, David chillingly stroking a white cat within sight of his ultimate objective of Santiago.  But, y'know Tom Lehrer: "I can't satirise this s**t" and all that.  And then there was the very sad news about Barry Whitehead and my regular rubbish no longer seemed appropriate.  


Catholic turned Nazi

(R8/Q3)


Barry was my original contact in the quiz league; to be completely accurate he was Sean Reagan's contact and Sean dragged me along for the ride.  We've lost so many big characters from our harmless pastime recently and none bigger than Barry.  A gentleman in every sense and a quiz enthusiast without whom none of us would be here forty odd years on from his original idea.  Thanks Barry and bless you - you were responsible for all of us having so much fun over such a long time.  Surely we're now competing for the 'Barry Whitehead Memorial Shield' aren't we Mike?  (ED: Seems a shoo-in of an idea to me, Kieran)

David's back next week, maybe. After tonight's performance from our "he's one of our own" academy graduate , David might have to content himself with that cat for a while.   

Next week our first home game and a reunion with another league big beast, Bogota Bob. That's if he's back in the country.  Cruella's (carefully planned) self destruction might make that easier in the short term but taking a longer view I'd rather be in Philadelphia or just about anywhere else.


History Men lost to Electric Pigs

The Pigs join Ethel and the Prods, equal on points at the top

Ivor muses over managing his team's decline...

We continue our gradual decline to the foothills of the league table.  We were the lowest scoring of any team tonight.  In mitigation we had to play a three-handed home game.  Sadly we only have a small pool of players and QMs so increasingly illness and holidays makes team selection difficult.  I imagine other teams have similar problems including the malign effect of Wednesday night Association Football on player availability. 

It was fortunate that Everton were elsewhere otherwise Mrs C and her brother would have been elsewhere as well.  But both were available for the Parrswood cockpit where we took on old rivals the Electric Pigs.  Some of us played the Electric Pigs at the Gerry Hennessey/Barry Whitehead Monday Red Lion Quiz in the late 80s.  Incredible to think that is a third of a century ago but Gerry and Barry are very fondly remembered.


John Redwood lines up for this week's Tory PM competition

(R8/Sp4)


We had a very bad start and were 9 points behind after only two rounds and despite some improvement we could not whittle away this deficit. 

Over the eight rounds the quiz was very well balanced and for those on the spectrum who like stats (is that a few, many or most of the quizzing fraternity?) there were 6 unanswereds (3-3), 8 steals (4-4) and it was the superior two rate (8-10) that saw the Pigs across the line.


Starts to cross the road, then....

(R5/Sp)


Quiz paper set by...

...Bards

Average Aggregate score 82.3


This was a wonderful paper with loads of points on offer, and, for the third week running, it beat the average aggregate score from the preceding week.  Tony, who acted as a perfect QM at the Club (never mind what that grouchy old match correspondent said above), gave due credit to Bard Jim who now acts as chief editor when it's their turn to set.

My own favourite was the very first question of the evening which took us about 10 minutes to work out but eventually we got right.  It came at the start of a really good hidden theme round.  Close behind in my list of favourite questions was the question that linked gymnastics and gory gangsterdom as only the Run On format can do.  Thanks Bards, you did us proud.


...and this was Damian's take on the paper...

Another good paper, this week with a lot of variety.  We especially liked the American states, and the alliterative rounds - and of course the Run Ons (a perennial favourite).  John forgot the alliterative theme when he suggested Joseph Stalin as the guy who pooh-poohed Christianity's chances back in 1937 but he may have been getting his own back on me for mistakenly drinking his half of bitter earlier.  Not at all keen on the American football and London tube station questions, as I barely follow  British sporting events never mind foreign ones and London tube stations are a long standing bugbear of mine.  Not everybody knows enough about London to answer questions on its travel network and they're just not interesting enough in themselves  to constitute valid general knowledge in my humble opinion. 


Hitler's 'Little Fat Sergeant'

(R8/Q4)


...and Kieran's verdict...

Tonight's quiz?  A cracker from The Bards.  Only three unanswereds, the first five rounds drawn, The Albert taking a one point lead in Round 6 and maintaining that lead until we just managed to level it up again at the start of the final round.  I was hopeless but Thomas was brilliant, scoring four consecutive twos in Rounds 3 to 6  which, with a little more match practice, would have been six twos from the off.  He was the only reason we got anything out of the game.


...and Ivor casts his twopennyworth...

Both teams agreed this was one of the Bard’s better quizzes for some time with plenty of variety and plenty of clues in the question text to help dissect what was initially thought to be impossible.  Of course one has to listen carefully and if we had we might have picked up on Bognor rather than Craigweil House as the main hint being given in the first question of the evening.  Also we might have rumbled that the “eponymous” in the question was the crucial reason why Anna Tellwright could not have been in The Secret Garden.  Much to Mrs C’s contempt (Alison was QM) I misled our team into thinking Claudius was the father of Hamlet and fruitlessly trying to think of a cartoon ghost with the name of a music genre in the name.

After two decades of obscure WW2 battles it would appear that these are now exhausted as questions and a certain Bard has moved on to obscure (at least to us) European conflicts from the 14th and 17th centuries.  Sadly despite our name we were sorely tested. As always failures are tempered by successes and it only takes one satisfying correct answer trawled out after much thinking (Ray’s Sloane Square, David’s Francisco Franco) to encourage us to return next week for another go; much like a poor golfer with a fourth style of swing.


What a Bugger!

(R1/Q1)


Question of the Week

This week I'm  making the choice and I've gone for the very first question of the evening, Round 1 Question 1...

Who retired for three months in 1929 to Craigweil House in Bognor, Sussex?

For the answer to this and all the week's other questions click here.