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26th February 2025

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The Prods slip up at last losing in Ladybarn; elsewhere Albert win to leapfrog KFD into 2nd place and the Charas and History Men win to strengthen their positions

Ethel Rodin beat Prodigals

Opsimaths lost to Albert

Charabancs beat Bards

History Men beat Electric Pigs

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Opsimaths lost to Albert

Albert coast to victory - and to second place in the table

Ashton welcomes back Sunny Mike

The Albert team were pleased to welcome back our skipper last night, albeit in a spectating role, even if his sunny demeanour left us rather discomfited.  What had he been up to in his weeks away to give rise to such a sea-change in mood?  Mike seems to be spending much of his time at the University these days - if he's not invigilating for those students who require comfort animals and sensory rooms to do exams, he's being poked and prodded by budding optometrists.  It all seems to be doing him plenty of good, even if catching a 6am bus this morning to play guinea pig at Junior Specsavers wouldn't be everyone's idea of fun. 

Our occasional new player Ian was on form again last night, but I took most pleasure in the fact that there were a number of instances where Eveline knew the answer to one of Jeremy's questions.  Such occasions are one of the highlights of playing in the Albert team, as her gleeful hand waggles nearly taking his eye out.  If only we knew where to access free eyecare ...  


Unfinished business in NY City

(R1/Q2)


Mike reflects on the dawn of a new Opsimaths

The visitors were worthy winners by 17 points in our convivial (© Rachael) encounter in the back lounge at the Club.  Ian, Jeremy, Eveline and Ashton tripped through the points overseen by their own Amorim - he of the 'Paddle' (for which there was no call this time round).

In the other corner the home team had - for the most part - an agreeably social but relatively pointless evening.  After the match as we discussed one of the questions we got wrong one of our visitors gently mocked us with a "well the way you're playing this season, it wouldn't have made much difference if you had got it right!".  Palpably true but, nevertheless, it did hurt.  Half our usual weekly points tally went with our lost Nick, and quite a proportion of the rest has been enjoying sunny holidays not to mention frequent Goodison outings as Howell makes the most of his retirement (not to mention his Who Wants To Be A Millionnaire winnings).

Last night I was due to QM, and Brian due to play, but Brian had a funeral earlier in the day and was a tad over-imbibed, so he asked me to swap with him.  Despite my receding memory, hearing and judgement I did manage to rack up over a third of our points.  Charlotte earned a good deal of the rest.  Paul clearly fills  some of our knowledge area gaps and was hot on the TV picture round.  He is definitely going to be an asset once he has got used to the WithQuiz process ("not like a regular pub quiz, is it?" was an observation he made during the evening).


Just not Good Enough

(R4/Q2)


A couple of weeks ago I had a chat with Martin (KFD) who's also suffering from receding hearing.  We were both finding a major problem is the tendency to snatch upon any key word in the question text we could get and assume we knew what the answer was going to be.  So, last night I knew we were looking for Cathedral cities, heard the names of some WW2 planes in the question and darted to "Lancaster" without stopping to make sure I'd heard ALL the question and had had a good think about the facts.  Wrong!

Charlotte had bounced into the Club at the start of the evening on a palpable high.  She and her two mates have passed the Only Connect audition and are due to film in the summer.  They might call themselves 'The Mancunians' but have yet to decide.  In the quizzing breaks we helped Charlotte by reviewing the memorable weird facts about herself which all Connecters are obliged to spill at the start of the show.  Something about the late Queen's corgis was in there but you'll have to wait and see.

Anyway, the Opsis are still alive and kicking.  There's only one direction of travel and we're on the journey.


The Idiot Bird

(R6/Q5)


Charabancs beat Bards

The Charas get use to winning, moving level on points with last season's champs

42a or 42b? Damian has a choice of buses for once

These days victories are rather like buses for the Charas.  You wait ages for one and then two turn up in short order but, hey, we're not complaining.  With our usual quiz room out of bounds due to some damage to one of the walls caused apparently by a colliding vehicle in the week since we last played there, we repaired to the pool room formerly known to us as our Quiet Room; 'Quiet' since it enabled us to avoid the seemingly endless progression of Man City fixtures.  At least that was the case until somebody decided it would look so much nicer with a great big pool table hogging most of the space but we managed to arrange ourselves around it whilst QM Jane duly raised her voice so it would reach each of our respective corners.  

The last time we played the Bards we enjoyed a slight lead most of the way until we got wiped out in the final round.  On this occasion we established a bigger lead in the first half so that by the time the Bards inevitably began to narrow the gap in the second half, the dreaded last round in which we scored just two points couldn't deny us our victory.  

'C' for Cheers from 'D' for Damian!


Fountain of Youth (1)

(R2/Q4)


From Anglican to Catholic Saint

(R1/Q4)


History Men beat Elecric Pigs

The History Men consolidate their 5th place with a win at The Parrswood

Ivor mulls over a close encounter

Tonight we faced the challenge from our old friends the Electric Pigs.  We first encountered them not in the League, but in the Gerry Hennessey/Barry Whitehead Monday night table-top quiz at the Red Lion in the late 1980s.  That is 35 years ago - half a lifetime according to the Good Book.  I am sure we have changed a bit since then but our competitive spirit remains and our appetite for challenging questions and modest amounts of liquor is undiminished.


Youthful Peace

(R2/Q8)


The match was nip and tuck for most of the way and our win was due to a superior steal rate (7-4). As last week we had the luxury of a lead going into the last round but unlike last week there was no inexplicable brain failures on 'easy' questions ('easy' = the ones we know the answers to).  Anne had decided (possibly after last week’s horror) that Seat 4 was not for her so she took up Seat 2 which, as all our quizzers know, gets such easy questions that KFD Martin regularly gets 6 or more twos without having to break sweat.  Unfortunately only one two-pointer was achieved alongside two blurts.  Though to be fair (aren’t I always?) one of those was "Wayne Rooney" as the youngest England player, which he once was.  Anne was also peerless on identifying airplane manufacturers, for which Airfix modelling and family interests in the 60s and 70s had left an indelible impression.  Andrew Pig, also in Seat 2, was tonight’s MVP with 4 twos, and has nominated his cathedral question (R7 Q4) as the QotW. 


Where the Girls used to play - Nice!

(R1/Q7)


Ethel Rodin beat Prodigals

A memorable run comes to an end as Ethel win by a sizeable margin

James celebrates a famous win - but wonders about handicaps

What a topsy-turvy season it’s been for Ethel Rodin!  Several teams that we have consistently beaten over several years have done the double over us this year and the law of averages has certainly been against us of late.  But tonight, against nearly all the odds, we managed to beat the new league champions who had gone unbeaten all season so far.  And not only did we beat them, but we beat them by 11 points, with the highest score of the night.  To top this we left half a dozen points on the table due to blurts and team conferences that took us away from the right answers.


Fashion in the Park

(R1/Q1)


So, our first win for ages.  Even if we win all the rest, I doubt we’ll rise any further up the table.

I do have an observation about the current Cup handicap calculation system ...

With a current league situation of 'Played 14, W4, D1, L9: 9 points' we have a Cup handicap of -1, whereas The Bards ('Played 14, W8, L6: 16 points') have a Cup handicap of, errm, 0. 

I appreciate that it’s based on points scored etc., but the system does seem to be heading towards a very odd outcome here!


Anne-Marie is philosophical but has a warning for the rest of us

Our luck finally ran out!

We had to get Mark Bassett out of retirement as Richard was away filming UC.  However it wouldn't have made a difference; we were beaten by the better team tonight - and Mark played beautifully.  At least we didn't need to buy the drinks for once! 

Good news though: Michael Taylor is coming back to Manchester! 


Bisset by Anson

(R7/Q8)


Jimmy is his usual magnanimous self

No complaints.  The best team won hands down.  With Richard stuck in the studio helping produce the next series of University Challenge, it was great to welcome back Mark Bassett after a nine year hiatus in the quizzing wilderness. The prodigal has returned and enjoyed his free pint along with the rest of us - for once (it's been an expensive season being a Prodigal in other weeks!).  Onwards and upwards.


Fountain of Youth (2)

(R2/Q3)


Quiz paper set by...

... KFD

Average Aggregate score 78.8


A most enjoyable paper with good scores all round.  A nice blend of themes and ideas.

Particular praise from the Opsis for the Picture Round which hit just the right spot and should have been accessible to all our quizzers.  Also plaudits for Round 4 ('A Night at the Opera') which sounded complicated when introduced by the QM but was easy to follow and had the advantage of being accessible even to those with limited knowledge of opera.  Just right. 

Finally thanks to this week's setters for a reminder in Round 8 of some of the extraordinary Mancunian architecture to be found in the unassuming suburb of Whalley Range: the outrageously ornate red Italian-style terracotta facade of St Bede's College and the similar terracotta features of nearby Hartley Hall, both on Alexandra Road are capped just a short distance away by the Gothic revival masterpiece that is now the British Islamic Heritage Centre.


The architectural richness of Whalley Range

(R8/Q6)


... and what was Damian's verdict ...

We enjoyed tonight's paper by KFD which played to our respective strengths again - like last week.  I think going first seemed to confer a slight advantage.  In Round 1 we thought it a bit odd to simply tell us that the round had a theme without either announcing it or just saying it was hidden - but it didn't spoil the fun in any way.  Nice variety, nice themes - although it did prompt me to try and recall the NATO phonetic alphabet better, as I can never seem to remember all the letters no matter how hard I try.  There is one honourable exception to this since 'T' for Tango will always be emblazoned on my mind; former Chara Graham (known to his team mates from that point on as 'Tizer' Boy) managed to blurt the wrong soft drink to a NATO alphabet related question.


... and Ashton's thoughts ...

A strong set from KFD.  We liked the fact that the hidden theme rounds were not overly convoluted or obscure. The Scottish islands round was our favourite.  Speaking of UK geography, we are setting in a couple of weeks' time and, fair warning, the round on an English county will be a making a comeback.  No clues as to which though, so get mugging up on all forty-eight (minus the handful we've already done).


Lebanese lipsmacker

(R6/Q7)


... James was pretty complimentary ...

A very accessible quiz; we counted 2 unanswered questions in the whole quiz (and in fact we had discussed and rejected the correct answers to both of these as well).

The Scottish islands theme was perhaps a little too easy, maybe?  The answer to Question 1 'Mulligatawny was only ever going to be related to a theme of either Scottish Islands or owls - and hiding ‘long-eared’ and ‘short-eared’ into a round would seem a bit of a stretch, so islands it had to be.

The pictures were all very well known, although unbelievably, Greg has never watched Band of Brothers.  The mosaic artist did a better job predicting how Derek Jacobi would age than the I Claudius make up artists.  

Only one slight moan: the 'Alpha Centauri' question.  The nearest solar system to the earth, is, as a statement of fact, the solar system of our own sun - but we assumed that wasn’t what was meant.  When the Prodigals went for the answer 'Proxima Centauri', and it wasn’t allowed, we talked ourselves out of stealing it by giving the answer 'Alpha Centauri'.  There’s probably a bit too much ambiguity about what counts as a star and what counts as a system when it comes to the three-star Centauri system.  

On the plus side, however, and bearing in mind the slight cathedral controversy of a few months ago, KFD’s cathedrals were properly defined!  


... finally Ivor has plenty of praise ...

KFD produced an excellent paper tonight.  Plenty of variety and novelty, and not a single Bingo or Pick Your Own (awful) question.  The unannounced themes were so well constructed that the two hardest questions in R1 were gettable when the theme was cracked (who would have thought a writer got the Croix de Guerre?).

The first questions in a round often confounded; in R5 we thought we were looking at mythical creatures and had Saskatchewan as the province to follow centaur.  The opera questions that are often considered too erudite for a general knowledge quiz were constructed beautifully with the second route into an answer so that even we Philistines had a fighting chance to shine.

The Picture Round was also well received though some of us have a poor visual memory and others have watched so much rubbish that it addles our brains.  I suspect all of the shows appear in a 'Top 50 of All Time'; Anne’s blurt of Nurse Jackie probably doesn't, and fortunately Young David recognised the wall in Game of Thrones despite never watching an episode - unlike me who binge-watched all 72 episodes last year without paying any attention to the intro. 

The questions also suited the more mature quizzer - but not always.  We should try to keep more up to date.  There was a time when Brian Close was the youngest England cricketer, but no longer.  Maybe in the future the national food and drink of Lebanon will be McDonald’s and Coke - perhaps quite soon if the Orange Oracle has his way


Ely cathedral with its famous octagonal lantern

(R7/Q4)


Question of the Week

This week Andrew gets to choose and he rather liked Round 7 Question 4 ...

In Greek mythology, what was the final resting place for Greek heroes?  It gives its name to a famous thoroughfare in Paris. (either the English or the French name is acceptable)

For the answer to this and all the week's other questions click here.


A Nobel & Cross old playwright

(R1/Q8)